" No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Neutral these battles dont make sense. Definitely Beyonder. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The. [11] The One-Above-All is the sole creator of all existence in the Marvel Multiverse and possibly the Omniverse. he is omnipresent. Pre-retcon Beyonder. 7 years ago. I. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true beyonders come from outside of our multiverse as well when instead they merely come form another dimension to our universe. Lovecraft's mythos is vague and open ended, but a high end interpretation is that Yog Sothoth is inaccessible and beyond all hierarchies of infinity. So you just put Anti-Monitor against the guy. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. Probably thanos as he seemed to. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Jack Kline can’t do shit. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. TOAA is omnipotent. 2. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. It was said that she is the spark of creation. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. Are there any scans that show toaa being superior to pre retcon beyonder?About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Forum Posts. 2. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. Lucifer and Michael are second to God, period. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . DarkGodBane • 7 yr. Created by Loony_Toony. We help you decide what wheel is right you. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. ". 0. Beyonder for the curbstomp. They are god of their own comics. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. he is immensely powerful since he can wipe out anyone easily but still below TOAA. I dunno. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. You need to be logged in to post comments. No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. The Living Tribunal is TOAA's right-hand cosmic entity. Reply. If beyonder has knowledge beforehand then it becomes a more pitched battle with the scarlet king holding the slight power advantage (High 1A - Low 1A) and is now on a time limit to kill beyonder before his seals are removed and killed himself. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. 3 years ago. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. 4 years ago. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. Beyonder. PR Beyonder Stomps. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. ago. Juntai. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. Reply. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Further to that point, the Pre ret Beyonder buy his own admission could be affected by the power of the M'kraan crystal. Both have the same powers. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. . It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. So my problem here is while debating with Beyonder fans. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. 0. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters hereYamcha vs The One Above All, Madoka Kaname, The Presence and Galactus. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). Beyonder stomps. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe. #12 Edited By Montaq. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. 5 T. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. 8 years ago. 3. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. 4 years ago. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. Team Michael: Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy, Kismet, Rama Kushna, COIE Anti Monitor and Krona. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Living Tribunal cannot and has never once, not ever, enacted beyond universal destructive capabilities without the concent of TOAA. I think the idea. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. Beyonder = tier 2 being at absolute most. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. 56 results. CsmicRanker1314 1. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. . Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. He destroyed the Sun sometime in Ardas history. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. In general as the Supreme Beings. Follow 16580. TOAA mops the floor with these two. #. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @King Saturn: Chuck worships GOAG not TOAA All thought he maybe reffered to as TOAA and is the true OAA " TOAA can be referred to as the GOAG though. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. 9. Far from Beyonder levels. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. 0. omnipotent means infinite power. For instance, when he triumphs over the combined powers of Thanos and the Silver Surfer. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. This being, LT is the physical representation of the Will of God, nothing. SCP 3812. As you stated King, there's really nothing we know of the Primal Monitor, so Beyonder wins by feats alone. And he loses. . The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. He is just beyond. And although they themselves are Drawings to us (God appeared on panel in FF#511) EVERYTHING else in Marvel is Drawings to them, from Thanos/THOTI to Aunt May. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. . " im sick of Beyonder. The Living Tribunal answers only to TOAA and is regarded by him and every other abstract entity in Marvel as being omnipotent and literally "above" them all in terms of power and importance. 2. Both fighters understand to sum level that they each "become more powerful over time" but not the specifics (adapting to survive/zenkai boosts and transformations)The PR Beyonder was hands-down the most powerful antagonist Marvel ever produced, and the greatest multiverse-buster from any company. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. Since 2013, Stan Lee has said that it is the writer who writes the scripts and will decide which character to win. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing! I am SUPREME!! In my native realm I WAS the universe! -- Beyonder -Beyonder is supposed to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. bunker_man • 2 mo. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. This could also be used as. Pre-retcon Beyonder is beyond all that. Kitsunw. Loki God Of Stories 17. Forum Posts. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Comics . The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. -5. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Viners voted on it. Thanos mastering the Heart of the Universe does not equal him to infinity, or the one above all. #7. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). 14 years ago. 11 years agoR1: TOAA Celestial vs Full Powered Entity R2: WPOTC vs Full Powered Entity R3: Galactus vs Full Powered Entity Bonus: All 3 of them at maximum power vs Full Powered Entity with the help of a Beyonder. 2. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. • 1 year ago. Beyonders killed LT and destroyed countless universes. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. @majestic99. The one above all beyond everything even beyonder realms. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. TOAA is the creator of the multiverse and everyone and everything in it, including the Beyonders. Jayfournines. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. beyonder Yep, lol. Juntai. u/nullfather can attest to that. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Wait if Defender Beyonder is above TOAA than Marvel truly retcon TOAA from being omnipotent to megaversal or omniversal level abstract than. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Wiki Points. Beyonder Doom 14. Beyonder won't evenn make any difference more than the ant. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. First it introduced us to the Avengers Infinity stones saga, which ended with Avengers Endgame and now i. Prepare for. Situation 2:DC easily takes this, just because of the existence of characters like Lucifer, Superman Prime, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor and Manhattan. TOAA is above all. 1. . -Everything in bleach. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Hykuu. The Beyonder's existence is singular in the sense that he doesn't exist in any alternate realities. ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. Register Sign in. Neither of. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. Toba Hulk 7. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. ago. Jun 12, 2019 #2. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. They were both supreme powers above the LT. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. . The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. so any one of then can easily defeat beyonder without even. So in short pre retcon beyonder decides whether or not he gets damaged or killed. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. 6th. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. Or demonbane becoming a part of YA. #1 KingOfAsh. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. TOAA have failed. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. 567. 1 Less Powerful: Odin. Wiki Points. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. Hulk wins, he keeps getting madder and stronger and than thunderclaps the one above all and TOAA only wishes he could negate that dreadful healing factor plus the Hulk can jump really high up in. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Kitsunw. Yeah All Mighty Wins. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. . bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters here. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. the spectre with the presence backing. Wiki Points. [deleted] • 8 yr. Nyx House Of Ideas 10. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. TOAA has no powers. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. Dormammu said: Beyonder outclasses her heavily, Featherine would be a better match. Reactions: Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer. Glory stomps. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. 3. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. PRB = TOAA = The Presence, then we have the Lucifer/ Owen Reese category then everything else in Marvel and DC are just foddler. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. fangirl101. The first 3 scans are 4th wall breaking/meta fiction for beyonder. . I agree that Gan is Omnipotent and Beyonder gets stomped. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Beyonder but nemesis is one of the few who can actually compete. He is the most powerful creation in all of Marvel, if not fiction. But Thanos with HoTU became one with all. The power of love is said to be a threat. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. the spectre with the presence backing. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. The Chaos gods are tough to kill as they are powered by and represent concepts. Untill than this is a stomp and should be closed due to their current levels on the wiki. Beyonder is a supreme being from another universe, he is equal to TOAA. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. Azathoth solos. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. Then things get more murky. If we assume the former, then Deku and Bakugo would destroy the musician and then get destroyed by TOAA. Beyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U! The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. Scenary: Cell Games Arena (Indestructible) Saibaimen not allowed Both TOAA, Madoka, Presence and Galactus with full power. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. matchups like these are. 1. This Beyonder had little respect for mortals and treated everything like a plaything. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. The power of the Life Force is a direct powerup from TOAA. Even if TOAA tried to lose I don't think it could. beyonder was easily destroying multi verses. . s. Now House Of Ideas 13. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. Red Mist vs Galactus. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. To me TOAA is the creator (writer/artist). It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins. to win. Retconed Beyonder. Juntai. Goku dying of old age is a valid win condition for Darwin or vice versa if that can happen. Everything that takes place is his dreams. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. This Hulk has all the powers of The One Below All. If this. ago. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. Bugs' power of seduction could also cause significant problems for the Beyonder, as Bugs has. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. Spectre is backed by the Presence, he regularly gets owned by lesser beings. No one can defeat that. The One Above All is literally God. NULL_Terrorist. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. It is implied he is God. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. Team Beyoder: Living Tribunal. Featherine should be comparable to PR Beyonder or EGD, but she isn't beating TOAA. Preparation. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. The only. login to vote. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his. Marvel vs DC. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. So I might be missing something. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. I mean, the name itself says it – the One Above All – there is nothing, no one, that could beat him. 0.